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(no subject) [May. 30th, 2006|06:32 pm]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

[mood |curiouscurious]
[music |Gallowglass- The Macedonian Set]

Hello all, I am Cris and was motivated to find this community in the midst of a conundrum.

So I am in Latin III, our actual teacher came down with a case of triplets, so our sub for the rest of the year, being a new teacher and an all around fun guy assigned us a classical author project.

I was going to chose Ovid for the myths, or Aristotle for the fact that I stutter and he did as well.

But I chose Catullus, and thought for a moment that I was out of my mind, but I write poetry and enjoy the works of others, so it seemed fine enough.

I'll tell you I was thrilled to find a website with all of his poems in both Latin and English, and was having a grand ol' time clicking around, and then there is is. {http://www.vroma.org/~hwalker/VRomaCatullus/list.html}

Number 16.

clicking the link to it conjured a disclaimer on my screen, baring the words

WARNING: This Poem includes references to the digestive and reproductive systems that may give offence."

so, being that such messages and their following content don't usually seem to phase me, as I am a child of the internet, I clicked ahead, and was met with this:

PEDICABO ego uos et irrumabo,
Aureli pathice et cinaede Furi,
qui me ex uersiculis meis putastis,
quod sunt molliculi, parum pudicum.
nam castum esse decet pium poetam
ipsum, uersiculos nihil necesse est;
qui tum denique habent salem ac leporem,
si sunt molliculi ac parum pudici,
et quod pruriat incitare possunt,
non dico pueris, sed his pilosis
qui duros nequeunt mouere lumbos.
uos, quod milia multa basiorum
legistis, male me marem putatis?

I'll sodomize and clintonize you,
oral Aurelius and anal Furius,
who have supposed me to be immodest, on account of my verses,
because these are rather voluptuous and not very modest.
For the sacred poet ought to be chaste himself,
his verses need not be so;
which, in the end, only have wit and charm
if they are rather voluptuous and not very modest,
and are able to stimulate desire,
and I don't mean in boys, but in these hairy men
who cannot move their stiff thighs.
Just because you read about many thousands of kisses,
do you think I am not a real man?

so I read it, chuckle, cough, etc.

and then went to the dictionary to look up "clintonize" well, apparently it isn't a word.

closest I can find it Latin is: Irrumpo- to break in

and that doesn't seem to make much sense either without a stretch of imagination

so, onto the entymology dictionary {http://www.etymonline.com/}, clintonize gives me nothing, clinton however:

"overly studious person," 1954, Amer.Eng. student slang, popularized 1993 during Clinton administration in U.S.; perhaps a shortening of Brit. slang wonky "shaky, unreliable" (1919), which perhaps is from Ger. wankel- or from from surviving dialectal words based on O.E. wancol "shaky, tottering" (see wench). Or perhaps a variant of Brit. slang wanker "masturbator."

so now I am laughing about the correlation to president Clinton, because I suppose that definition makes sense.

not to mention the word above irrumpo is:


Why Catullus!?! Why?!?

so I guess what I'm asking is, do any of you know the proper and obscene translation to the first line might be?

{besides "I will sodomize and masturbate on you"}

well, now this is awkward >.>
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Classics magazine [May. 28th, 2006|02:26 am]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...
I've set up a Classics magazine, as part of an Outreach project, which is to be sent out to state schools in the UK free of charge. It's called Iris, and its website is www.irismagazine.org; I'm really keen to get quality original and creative material for it. The magazine is designed to grab the interest of those who might not know much about Classics. In UK schools, Classics has sadly become very much the preserve of the private sector, and I think it's a massive shame that there are loads of school children out there who just aren't getting the chance to study such fantastic languages and Classical texts. I'm hoping that this magazine (along with other projects) might help to remedy that.

If anyone is interested in submitting material or supporting in any other way, then that would be very welcome! Any general or specific advice on the project would also be great. I'm sure there are masses of ways I could do this better, but haven't thought of myself.


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(no subject) [Apr. 12th, 2006|12:47 am]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

This is just a small request (well, actually a pretty big one because I suspect I may be reduced to insanity if there is not a positive response, lol!) to the Classicists on this group: I was wondering if any know of some sort of an association or group for young Classicists (16+) in the UK/Internet? I have been listening out for some sign of any but have bene unsuccessful. It has recently occurred to me that I would love to discuss aspects of Ancient Greek with people my own age, geek that I am, so any help would be most appreciated!
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Icons - Choose your weapon! [Oct. 4th, 2005|08:48 pm]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

I want to see how these go down. If well, I may make more, if not, ah well :P

Take them as you please, no need to credit unless you want to, NO HOTLINKING!

Please comment if you take, even if just to say hi!
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ROME... now a miniseries. [Aug. 18th, 2005|10:30 am]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

[mood |naughtysnarky]

I just read the TV Times about 'Rome'. The cover has a picture of their Mark Antony, resplendent in leather armour, riding a black horse. On the inside, there's a scene of Caesar (Ciaran Hinds) arms upraised, saluting (?) the masses while three women stand with him. Across the top is written 'HISTORY LESSON'. After I stopped twitching, I examined the picture more closely. We have here, left to right, the elderly Roman matron concerned about declining morals, Caesar (with red face paint... or a print error), evil plotting filthy minx disguised as a young Roman woman, and then virtuous young Roman woman. I can tell all of this from their facial expressions. Subtle. The article itself says they were ever so careful with historical details to 'get it right' and 'not lie' and 'show the truth'. *twitchtwitchtwitch!* Especially how they say the "Real Rome" is all about sex and violence. *facepalm* It is sad to note that they were insane in reproducing the materials of Rome- the leather, the fabrics. Such a shame that they went through all of that trouble only to make up inacurate clothes with them.

Me: Hm. Yeah, they didn't have leather breastplates. And... no metal gauntlets either. And what's with the feathers?

It's still early yet... I won't actually be able to see this, having no TV, but I expect to hear full reports :D

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confusion [Jul. 11th, 2005|08:02 pm]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

Has anyone else read Colleen McCullough's The Song of Troy? I got it from the library, did a few chapter skims, freaked, and I'm about to take it back.

Wanted to know if anyone else had opinions on it, or could explain some of the odd choices that she makes.

Such as!
-Achilles having epilepsy
-the fight between Achilles and Agammemnon being staged
-Aeneas having an affair with Helen
-Achilles being lipless.

Now, I checked up on that last one, and confirmed that the meaning of the word "Achilles" is lipless. This never really meant anything to me, especially because of "his former name was Ligyron - because he had not applied his lips to a breast."

That seems to imply that Thetis never suckled him. Is there any evidence of her refusing to do so or even abandoning him as an infant?
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People are So Stupid [Jul. 11th, 2005|07:29 pm]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...
[mood |annoyedannoyed]

This guy is an idiot. Most of extant tragedy was written before Aristotle 'came up' with tragedy and comedy. WTF? What does he mean by 'came up' with tragedy and comedy?

"The Persians is the oldest play that's survived," Ridgely added. "It's usually lumped with the other tragedies, and it's certainly dark, but Aeschylus wrote it before Aristotle came along and came up with tragedy and comedy so it really doesn't fit well into either one."

Read the entire article: Aeschylus' War Play, 'The Persians,' Is Now a Comedy with Songs
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Classics names for cats [Apr. 30th, 2005|01:51 am]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

[mood |cheerfulcheerful]

philosopher kittyCollapse )
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(no subject) [Apr. 19th, 2005|03:05 pm]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...

odd occurence in greek class a while back. i go to write the word "dental", and it comes out in greek letters. i then have to struggle to write it in roman letters. am i crazy, or has this happened to anyone else?
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(no subject) [Apr. 16th, 2005|12:38 am]
We're Classicists and we're bitter...
[mood |confusedconfused]

On the advice of a well-known lover of cats, I decided I should post this:

On a recent episode of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, they included an "attack ad" a la US Election 2004, but for the Papal Elections. It's was an ad "put out" by Cardinal Arinze against Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. The text was in "Latin", and this is what TiVo picked up with some modifications for what was actually said:

Cardinal Ratzinger dicet amat magna mater ecclessia, sed qui veritas est? Eram prognatus in Germania, ut eram . . . Martin Luther! Validus ecclesius est alius Reformation superstes per "a sausage-eating bastard?"
Igo Cardinal Arinze, et igo probatas es nutias.

A translation was made by kerrypolka on thedailyshow:
Translation from wickedly bad LatinCollapse )

What's my problem? I love that they used Latin, it was highly funny, but why couldn't they have consulted one of the many Classics faculties in the good ol' US of A for some good Latin?! In the end, I got frustrated and posted a proper translation on thedailyshow because I'm a geek:
Proper LatinCollapse )
Just thought I'd share.

EDITED TO ADD: If anyone wants to watch the video of this, it's within this clip from the Daily Show Website: http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?player=realplayer&type=v&quality=high&reposid=/multimedia/tds/colb/colbert_10048.html Enjoy!
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