well, i will admit that all was a bit of an exaggeration. i mean, there is Seneca and the comic poets Menander and Terence and Plautus. But come on. Aristotle 'came up' with tragedy and comedy? anf these people write and direct plays?
It looks like he has no respect for the original play either. He even seems a little resentful about it.
Maybe he drew the play out of a hat...
Our challenge was that Aeschylus' version is a bit of a snooze fest.
That is a little arrogant.
I'll admit that, even though i work on Persians, it is not something i readily assign to my greek lit and greek drama students. its no Agamemnon. But it is really a fascinating play to work on from a research perspective...
it is something of a travesty. especially since, here in DC, they are reviving the Auletta version which was first produced by Peter Sellars back during the first Gulf War. It is a very good adaptation and respectful to the original (though it does move the play from being patriotic to anti-war; amd of course, some challenge the patriotic interpretation of the original).
Maybe it's one of those things, like, you'd have to see it to appreciate it?
I am actually sure it could be interesting. it is this guys stupididty as to Aristotle's place in the history ot drama that puzzles me.
I mean, I can sort of see where he's coming from. Aristotle was the first to define the genres of tragedy and comedy, to the best of my knowledge. By that, I mean he's the first guy we have on record as being something of a dramaturg.
There were sure as hell dramas and comedies written and performed before that, though, given that he had to have material to base his categorization on.
And it does, in fact, fit as an Aristotelian drama...just because the Greeks liked their political commentary dramas to have some comic interludes to break up the tension doesn't mean that it doesn't fit into either category!
I think the play itself might not be bad. it isn;t the problem. Its the tyranny of Aristotle that is the problem. what does he mean by 'came up' with tragedy and comedy? Were poor Aristophanes, Euripides, Sophocles and Aeschylus (not to mention the middle comedians and the other tragedians of the first half of the 4th century) mucking around blindly not knowing what they were writing? Please.
...and Isaac Newton invented gravity.
BTW, are you a student or prof at Wellington? I have a friend who is a prof there.
Neither at the moment. I was a student at Otago University.
I just work at Victoria Uni. Non-academic staff.
Who is your friend?
No, no, no...what I'm saying is that Aristotle was the first dramatug - he's the guy who wrote the definition of tragedy, based on the works of the brilliant playwrights who came before him.
They knew exactly what they were writing. It was just Aristotle who came and laid down the groundrules for analysing what they wrote.
I know what you meant. I just don't think that is what he meant.
I think he may have been told the facts and misunderstood them. He possibly wasn't paying attention at the time. Either way, I don't think he has a clue what he is saying.
my suspicion is that he was assigned poetics or a selection from it in a history of theater class but failed to actually read it or attend the lecture.
::cringe:: Didn't they learn this stuff in uhh... THEATRE 101?!?!? Good GODDESS.
he probably missed that day. his vocabulary (cf a bit of a snooze fest) leads me to believe he was not such a serious student.
::cringe:: Yeah. Fortunately, I'm not in a position to throw money at him, so I don't have to decide whether or not to patronise this guy who doesn't seem to have a clue, because it's Aeschylus and actually looks interesting!
I'm not quite sure how you turn that into a comedy...
Very not carefully, I am sure.
I had always thought Aristophanes was (one of) the first great writers of Greek comic theater. Apparently, I was wrong. CLEARLY this man is FAR superior to any of us in intellect.
That seems to be plain arrogance and ignorance wrapped into one delightful package. Huzzah, indeed.
Sounds like the sort of things said in the English dept. *is not only a bitter Classicist, but a bitter english lit major* :( Yeah, and the English invented novels. *pfft!*