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Patroklus, glory of the father [Apr. 4th, 2005|09:35 pm]
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cleo_eurydike
[mood |confusedconfused]

This isn't really ranting as much as it is...well, all of my real friends are sick of hearing about Homeric epics.

Anywho.
Abderos: Geliebter des Herakles, Bewacher der menschenfressenden Stuten des Diomedes II.
Abderos. Son of Hermes? Poseideon? or Menoetius? and Thronie/Thronia, brother of Patroclus. Why, in the name of all things holy, was he not given more explanation in The Illiad - or anything else, for that matter? A prince, a son of a god, namesake for a town, Herakles's eromenos, and brother to Achilles's erastes (argue this point elsewhere). I mean, crap. I can't believe that I've never heard of him before this. Oh! And Patroklus has a cousin that's also a son of Ares?

That's beautiful. It's not surprising, seeing how closely noble houses intermarry anyway, and yes, most people mentioned in Greek mythology are god-spawn...but...argh!

If ANYONE knows of ANY other kin to Patroklus, or any other juicy details about his life, please please please don't withold them.

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Also found a claim by Ptolemy Hephaestion that Patroklus was, according to Homer, the first horseman, and beloved of Poseidon. Okay, that just sounds looney, but I'm willing to believe it if A) someone can provide citational evidence, and B) we forgo any attempt at chronology, accepting the mythology with all of it's anachronisms.
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Sapere aude. [Apr. 1st, 2005|09:18 pm]
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chalepa_ta_kala
[mood |accomplished]

Do you know your classical references? If you have a brief moment, take The Classical Platitudes Test. It's designed for those without a knowledge of Ancient Greek or Latin, but everyone is welcome to take part.

I'd appreciate any feedback you have to offer.

[crossposted to classically-minded communities]
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(no subject) [Feb. 13th, 2005|11:24 am]
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cleo_eurydike
Happy Lupercalia!Collapse )
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Which "Macedonians"? [Dec. 23rd, 2004|04:35 pm]
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hellenist1821
A few days ago, I heard that the Bush Administration decided to recognize the state of FYROM (northern of Greece) with its constitutional name (Republic of "Macedonia"). Although I am of Greek descent,but I don't live in Greece, so I am not a nationalist or something; however, all classicists OUGHT to know that modern "Macedonians" have nothing to do with our very-well-known Ancient Macedonians, such as Alexander the Great etc. Modern Macedonians in FYROM speak a slavic language, specifically, a Bulgarian dialect with strong Serbian influence. But SLAVIC and slavs have NOTHING to do with Ancient Macedonians. The Ancient tribe of Macedonians was a mixture of Greek(Doric), Thracian and a bit Illyric peoples. they were though LINGUISTICALLY, RELIGIOUSLY hellenized. That means that they spoke GREEK, believed in GREEK gods, and perceived themselves as Greeks.

How can the Slavs of FYROM, then, say that the ancient macedonians were THEIR ancestors, and that they are the followers of Alexander's work, when they speak no Greek (alexander's Mother-tongue)?

They ARE SLAVS, barbarians inhabiting the northern part of what was once Alexander's kingdom! they arrived, as Slavs, in the area the 8th century AD!
50 years ago, none of them claimed to be "macedonian". The "macedonian" issue was Tito's game (1949, declaration of "Macedonia" as a federate state of Yugoslavia)! And, I hate political games, especially when mistreating History.
F**K them anyway!
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(no subject) [Dec. 15th, 2004|11:17 am]
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themaskedmedea
Does this bother many people?

The grammatical note at the bottom says that using a definite article before word is grammatically acceptable. That makes me angry! I feel like if English is going to bastardize words, they should at least try and and do a good job of it. Seeing "the hoi polloi" makes something deep inside me want to cry.
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When Mary Sue fandom goes too far [Dec. 5th, 2004|12:13 pm]
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cleo_eurydike
May be going against the rules of this community (since none of the Classical Classics are included...yet), but in all honesty, this truly sucks.
A webpage that replaces pre-existing characters with the names of customers. They already have targetted about 15 classics, and are preparing to embark on more. I just...ugh, I can't really verbalize the grossness of this. You might as well read for yourselves.

A sampleCollapse )
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Just a thought... [Oct. 27th, 2004|02:09 am]
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ucsbclassics53
[mood |cynicalcynical]
[music |I see stars (club mix) by DJ Mystik]

I find the hubris of the Bush Administration totally appalling. Overextending the troops around the world is a horrible idea as it was back in the 5th century. Pericles had warned about the same thing, but did Athens listen?

I don't know if I'm totally accurate, but I'm reminded of Athens' disastrous expedition to Sicily where they believed that it'd be another cakewalk and all. Sicily = grain source, Iraq = oil. Thucydides commented on how the Athenians didn't really know much about the island of Sicily and that the expedition was woefully inadequate for the undertaking. How much did America really understand the situation in Iraq? After that quick defeat of the Syracusean infantry in the first battle over there, it seemed like Athens could win but the cavalry saved Syracuse by preventing the Athenians from chasing the Syracuseans. Athens was lacking in cavalry, America is lacking in troops to deal with the insurgency. Incompetence both times: Nicias delaying the badly-needed retreat due to an eclipse, the Bush administration can't account for 378 tons of conventional weapons missing in Iraq...

Of course this could be my political bias speaking, but then again it's 2:16 AM and I'm bored, tired, exhausted, and pissed...

Classics should be brought back in America. Everyone should be taught Latin in high school as it would improve English grammar. There's a lot of lessons to be learned in the great works.

If anyone objects to this entry, I shall delete it.
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(no subject) [Sep. 6th, 2004|08:22 pm]
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phthoggos
[music |Nile - Stones of Sorrow]

[x-posted from classics]

Recently our "friends" pages have been filled with all sorts of whining about recent films that have failed to live up to certain folks' expectations of accuracy. The recent business with The Ambiguously Gay Alexander is only the latest example of a trend I find rather tiresome. To wit:

Pictures of the REAL Alexander:

Right. Tell me that no classical sculptor, painter, poet, or historian EVER worked from an agenda. Tell me that Augustus REALly looked like this when he was fifty years old. Tell me that Achilles' horse REALly spoke to him. Tell me that Herodotus REALly saw ants digging for gold.

I get REALly tired of people telling me what's REAL when it comes to the ancient world.

Artistic license, political spin, and just plain making shit up because it sounds cool: these are older than Homer. Supposedly factual histories are even less reliable than today's commercial newsmedia, which is saying something. I'm not trying to put down ancient historical analysis and say we can never know anything so just give up now, but the fact is that if you folks had been around in Sophocles' day, or Shakespeare's, or Homer's for that matter, you'd have been giving them this same crap. "That's not the way it happened!"

Now, some caveats. I admit that Wolfgang Petersen is no Sophocles. Nevertheless, the same rules should apply regardless of a given work's artistic merit: if it's okay for Homer to distort history, then why isn't it okay for Oliver Stone?

I'm not attempting to defend The Passion of the Christ. Mel Gibson explicitly set out to create a realistic and accurate depiction of Augustan Judea. In that he failed rather heinously, and deserves criticism/abuse/what-have-you. Also (as the boys from South Park taught us), he is in general a psychopathic douchebag.

However, when a work of art is "based on" or "inspired by" history, and doesn't pretend to be anything more, let's not expect anything more. If it was good enough for Homer, Sophocles, and Shakespeare, then it's good enough for me.

Besides, if you take out all the dog-headed men and giant gold-digging ants and guys with eyes in their chests, how exciting is Herodotus anyway?
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(no subject) [Aug. 26th, 2004|02:28 pm]
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themaskedmedea
A few things to update on. Once my computer is compatible with my digital camera again, I have a picture that will throw this whole community into a rage.

Second, don't you HATE when plural Latin words are used as singulars in English, or vice versa? Ex. When someone wears a shirt or has a car tag that says "Such and Such School Alumni" and you want to scream "ALUMN-US/-A!"

I'm in a bit of a situation now at work, writing using the phrase "flora and fauna" as plural. Only I can't remember what declension either of them are, so I can pluralize/singularize them correctly. It's been a long summer. Anyone want to help me out? I don't want to be hated by people like myself.
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A Thousand Ships [Jul. 19th, 2004|04:44 pm]
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chalepa_ta_kala
[mood |curiouscurious]

Has anyone here read Age of Bronze: A Thousand Ships, a graphic novel by Eric Shanower? I'm interested in hearing the opinions of others.
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